tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post1998765365530995264..comments2024-03-30T00:53:15.503+11:00Comments on Walter Pless on Association Football: University's response to the TIS controversyWalterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11493237569003662448noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-37916946466263690722009-03-13T23:17:00.000+11:002009-03-13T23:17:00.000+11:00every colour of the rainbow for those boys.every colour of the rainbow for those boys.Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-61311918573032483982009-03-12T12:50:00.000+11:002009-03-12T12:50:00.000+11:00Only the Refs, boof.Only the Refs, boof.The Gonkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07038692649762222145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-65857424037951195372009-03-11T22:36:00.000+11:002009-03-11T22:36:00.000+11:0066 is rather a lot of posts.Anyone wearing pink th...66 is rather a lot of posts.<BR/><BR/>Anyone wearing pink this year??Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-16262843159216075902009-03-11T21:54:00.000+11:002009-03-11T21:54:00.000+11:00I want to know what colours the TIS side propose t...I want to know what colours the TIS side propose to play in, their blue or Uni's yellow?<BR/><BR/>Are you seriously telling me that, after all the huge resources TIS have invested in crafting these apparently gifted lads, they're going to settle for representing themselves in Uni's yellow?<BR/><BR/>I rather doubt it.The Gonkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07038692649762222145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-92121387589253631732009-03-08T12:30:00.000+11:002009-03-08T12:30:00.000+11:00well said boofwell said boofThe Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993685275572029818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-83790949253360695002009-03-08T12:29:00.000+11:002009-03-08T12:29:00.000+11:00Richard with the greatest of respect to you, and I...Richard with the greatest of respect to you, and I admire that you are staunchly defending your club, the arguments you are using are the very reason that the other clubs are objecting to the relationship. They are not a uni team, you did not have any involvement in their formation, you do not have to find administration, coaching, balls, strips etc for them as this will mostly be provided by the TIS. In fact, many of the players that will represent you were produced through the work of other clubs and now have no choice but to play for Uni whether they wish to or not.<BR/>My pointless and erroneous speculation about the negotiations is actually a direct quote from a representative of your club. I can only go with what I get first hand.<BR/>I am sorry that you see my comments as prejudiced...what do you believe I am prejudiced against? Certainly not your club's involvement in the Premier League. I am more than happy to see any club play in the SPL providing they meet the criteria and uphold the basic tenets for development and support of the game, no just pay them lip service for the sake of appearances. <BR/>The real disappointment in this to me is the lack of leadership, responsibility and ownership of the game from our fearless?? leaders at FFT who are obviously to scared to take action and would rather sit on their hands. Given the comments from some club Presidents currently being made they may find this an uncomfortable position.The Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993685275572029818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-76647253958213216032009-03-08T12:24:00.000+11:002009-03-08T12:24:00.000+11:00Questions still left unanswered despite everything...Questions still left unanswered despite everything written.<BR/><BR/>1) Are the boys able to remain in the TIS but not play for Uni U19s in 2009?<BR/><BR/>2) What is Uni's longer term plan to ensure that its young players now have somewhere to go other than " junior men's Divisions" in the next 1-3 years.<BR/><BR/>If I was a 15 year old looking for a club I think I would baulk at Uni knowing there's no chance of playing U19 with that Club.Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-76473828410761311052009-03-08T10:40:00.000+11:002009-03-08T10:40:00.000+11:00Well, Mr Scout, whoever you are, I see you're very...Well, Mr Scout, whoever you are, I see you're very pleased with yourself for at last grasping the bleeding obvious. Of course the TIS don't belong to us! They are a Federal Government funded elite sports program. What? Did you expect them to dissolve and become a Uni soccer club sub committee? I can imagine the howls of derision if that took place! We are in a partnership, both organisations have their own governance and process, policy matters have their own due process between the partners, and the athletes best interests are paramount. <BR/><BR/>Your pointless and completely erroneous speculation about what took place in negotiations is not your business. Your mind is obviously made up so any further argument with you is a waste of time. Your prejudice bleeds through everything you write. <BR/>If you are so concerned about us not having enough players (untrue) come and have a kick, mate!Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-35955194533131362122009-03-08T01:08:00.000+11:002009-03-08T01:08:00.000+11:00yes Richard,I quite believe that you are sick of t...yes Richard,<BR/>I quite believe that you are sick of trying to defend the indefensible.<BR/>So what you are saying is the TIS will play as Uni but if anyone wants to know anything about them, don't ask us ask the TIS. The obvious reason for this is that they don't belong to you...which I guess proves the point we have all been trying to make. Thanks for the confirmation.<BR/>On the other point, if Uni originally said no to the TIS and then changed their minds would this have anything to do with the fact that "we have promoted the current U19's to reserves to fill the gaps caused by not having enough people at training"?<BR/>There are other (and better) ways that the TIS squad can get competitive football.The Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993685275572029818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-16685859976302697572009-03-07T23:38:00.000+11:002009-03-07T23:38:00.000+11:00Oh crikey, I'm sick of this. Scout, if you want i...Oh crikey, I'm sick of this. Scout, if you want info about the TIS, get on the phone and talk to Dean May. Their players want to play competitive football, and now they can, that's a good thing. Like anything, it may or may not succeed, none of us, however much we might kid ourselves, have a crystal ball. Regarding "how this has been done" - what did you want - a chook raffle? An auction? TIS play for the highest bidder? The most hard yards done? <BR/><BR/>What I've said above here isn't a "claim" its a simple fact. We are now and have been for some time doing the "hard yards." Get used to it. Get out more.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-33101879619548288022009-03-07T23:20:00.000+11:002009-03-07T23:20:00.000+11:00Mr Devotee, just cos the TIS won some games in th...Mr Devotee, just cos the TIS won some games in the north, you've gone potty, mate - all credit to 'em, but you're forgetting that Taroona won games up there too. Are they gonna set the world alight? (Good luck to 'em, though, they're a good mob) Northerners have said themselves that the comp up there is pretty patchy. Let's just wait and see the results before you judge, as I said there's a lot of very fine younger players around, especially with the likes of the Clarence Academy & Morton soccer school etc.. Calling us opportunistic and speculating on the workings of what we do and why is pretty pointless. What's your motive for saying that? The TIS wanted to do it, so did we, end of story. <BR/>All clubs have to work hard to develop ourselves, and it's not easy for anyone. Let's quit this petty sniping and just get on with it. I'm happy to see other clubs succeed. Reward for effort. We are a community based amateur league in a really small state with a game that's been badly mismanaged for a long time. A bit of co-operation and generosity might make things develop better than some kinda weird mine's bigger than yours whinge-a-thon.<BR/><BR/>FYI, Voluntary Student Unionism came into effect in July 2006. That was the first season it affected us. We've been building youth development at Uni since before that. Have a nice day.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-63894237273651194642009-03-07T23:15:00.000+11:002009-03-07T23:15:00.000+11:00Richard,Some questions for you. Firstly can a play...Richard,<BR/><BR/>Some questions for you. Firstly can a player in the TIS squad return to his club if he wishes and remain a TIS athlete? I understand that, at the AGM, the President of FFT stated that he had no knowledge of this issue. One has to wonder where his head has been buried. He also stated he would look into the matter and respond quickly. So far no response. Finally he stated that the TIS could not force a player to play for Uni, again I ask do the players have a choice and are they free to make that choice?<BR/>I have been around the sport long enough to recall the Hutchins debacle when players from Hutchins played for Uni in the morning and other clubs in the afternoon but FFT denied they were registered with two clubs.<BR/>Other clubs have done the hard yards to build their clubs into successful structures but Uni have always sidestepped the issue with such claims as you made in your earlier blog. This should not continue.<BR/>The heat in this issue has nothing to do with uni having "all the good players". I am certainly not convinced that the TIS squad will be overly competitive in the U19 competition. This is about the way this has been done.<BR/>FFT have obviously taken a lesson from a previous GM at the old Soccer Tas who always worked on theory "do nothing until the deadline passes and then you don't have to do anything". I do not believe this will work this time and, when added to the huge financial loss occasioned by FFT through failing to manage the sport correctly ($104,000 according to their accounts), the sport may well start to question whether or not the right people are in charge.The Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993685275572029818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-62983317248376075242009-03-07T22:16:00.000+11:002009-03-07T22:16:00.000+11:00Richardyou know as well as anyone that the under 1...Richard<BR/><BR/>you know as well as anyone that the under 19 comp will not be good enough for TIS- it is extremely opportunistic for UNI to accept them in this way.<BR/><BR/>Is it true that initially UNI said NO to the TIS approach?<BR/><BR/>And that it was the senior coach who was sick of poor attendances from reserves players last season who pushed the idea to be accepted?<BR/><BR/>When asked at the AGM about why David Abela's work had been allowed to be undone the CEO had no answer and the Chairman had no idea what was being talked about.<BR/><BR/>Just as the Board have no idea of what is happening here - the urgent response promised over the TIS issue is still not to hand.<BR/><BR/>This is probably the first season UNI have not been restricted by the 70% rule - and they immediately take the easy way out? Interesting!Football devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05272437291270376310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-1162964398172322542009-03-07T22:15:00.000+11:002009-03-07T22:15:00.000+11:00RU really serious? Are you really saying the U19 c...RU really serious? Are you really saying the U19 competition and therefore the teams in that competition are a joke? That's pretty disrespectful. I seem to remember a Zebras U19's & a South Hobart U19's who were pretty damn good last year, they'd give the TIS a run for their money. And let's wait and see, hell, with all this terrific youth development you've all been touting, surely the TIs/Uni team aint gonna have it all their own way this season.. And by the way, youth development isn't solely conducted in the U19 comp.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-59365840222933056102009-03-07T22:06:00.000+11:002009-03-07T22:06:00.000+11:00Well, into the U16 or U18's, I guess boof. Let's w...Well, into the U16 or U18's, I guess boof. Let's wait and see. Thanks for your concern and interest.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-31922749514995204112009-03-07T22:03:00.000+11:002009-03-07T22:03:00.000+11:00Are any other young players @ Uni allowed to play ...Are any other young players @ Uni allowed to play in your U/19 side or is it just for the TIS player? If that is the case then how can you say Uni are developing young players?<BR/><BR/>I do agree the TIS team should be playing regular football but I think the U/19 league is a joke for this side. They should be making up the bye in the Northern Premier League roster,not running around against 16-17 year old kids who are well below the TIS players levelR U Serious Refhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906916870843498646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-57821759463348258872009-03-07T18:56:00.000+11:002009-03-07T18:56:00.000+11:00Well that's clearly not sustainable. Where do the ...Well that's clearly not sustainable. Where do the 15, 16, 17 year old Uni players go?Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-40751589322877822932009-03-07T17:57:00.000+11:002009-03-07T17:57:00.000+11:00Maybe, boof.Maybe, boof.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-1663986630360197742009-03-07T15:27:00.000+11:002009-03-07T15:27:00.000+11:00Richard, will Uni have the TIS as its U19 team in ...Richard, will Uni have the TIS as its U19 team in 2010?Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-72816449914943607492009-03-07T13:08:00.000+11:002009-03-07T13:08:00.000+11:00I am a University soccer club player, senior licen...I am a University soccer club player, senior licensed coach and committee member and I would like to set the record straight on a few things. It's fascinating to watch the heat this issue has generated by so many Anonymous people (or is it just the one with some weird multiple personality disorder?) - declaiming about how scandalous it is that Uni has provided an avenue for the elite players at a youth level to play weekly football. It's obvious that's what they need, I've seen it at close quarters. These remarks are obviously self interested with more than a hint of misplaced jealousy and sour grapes - stemming perhaps from a concern that these TIS kids will end up at Uni and not at their clubs.<BR/>The TIS players are and always have been free to make up their own minds where they end up and I sincerely hope lots of 'em get off this bitchy little island and build great football careers for themselves on the mainland. Fascinating as well for so many faceless people to preach to us the value of accountability, when they don't even have the guts to use their real names.<BR/><BR/>To those who whinge that Uni has not been youth focused in the past and that we have abdicated our responsibility to the game or have been somehow "dishonest" and "poached" players from other clubs to win Premier League titles in the last decade really is based upon ignorance of the club's purpose, structure and history. Despite what these people and FFA & FFT would wish, not every football club is the same, with the same type of player base or the same culture. For the record, this year Uni has a full squad of very good Under 19 players, most of them new to the club, we would have had a very competitive U19 team, but we made the decision that these players will be playing at a Premier Reserves level, assisted by some more experienced team mates. We are working hard to develop these players, most of whom are 16 - 18 years old - challenging them on at a higher level with appropriate support. We also have U12 - U15 boys & girls teams and are putting a lot of effort into that. For the drooling ranks of the Anonymous to bleat that by doing this or stating what Julian did is somehow negative, or is inferring anything about any other club is nonsense. We did consider all aspects of the TIS deal, and I firmly believe it is overwhelmingly positive for everyone. The TIS are free to make up their own minds on the suitability or otherwise of the arrangement. The TIS & FFT are separate bodies, and I think there is tension between the two. <BR/>TIS players are registered and pay Rego fees to us, just like any other U19 player would, they are keeping their TIS identity as they are an elite level government funded sporting program.<BR/><BR/>Just so you all know, up until John Howard's Voluntary Student Unionism Legislation took effect, Uni Soccer club, as an official society of the UTAS student union was supported by student fees and there was a mandate that at least 70% of the players registered HAD to be Uni students, post graduates studying etc. During those years, we had (and still do) around 300+ players registered. This fact made it difficult to recruit youth teams, as the numbers would become unbalanced, possibly threatening our relationship with the Uni Sports Council. The club still operates around the UTAS timetable, making most of our summer cup campaigns and Uni holiday periods really hard. The club has felt negative effects of the lack of youth development, apart from the constant squeaks of resentment as expressed in blogs like this. <BR/><BR/>Metro & Taroona were relegated. Whatever their structure was, they were relegated. End of story. Having an Under 19 or a 13 year old girl guide troop is completely irrelevant. Now even Div 1 clubs have to have a mandatory youth development level. Where are the decent coaches gonna come from? Is this ideal for the development of the game? If you want to exercise your whinge muscles, ask yourselves (& FFT) where the good work David Abela started has gone to in recent months/year? Where's the coach education at currently? Who is accredited to teach coaches in this state at present? <BR/>Above all, have a good long look in the mirror before you accuse others of dishonesty.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-43265915273490667782009-03-07T09:50:00.000+11:002009-03-07T09:50:00.000+11:00Still haven't addressed next year. What's the plan...Still haven't addressed next year. What's the plan - take Uni's spot again??<BR/><BR/>We don't have full time State programs any more - that was working too well.<BR/><BR/>However, I assume there will be a team of TIS boys looking for a game again.<BR/><BR/>What does remonstrator propose for 2010??Who careshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03142455623903160678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-59660445159425384502009-03-06T20:30:00.000+11:002009-03-06T20:30:00.000+11:00Football Devotee Perhaps your comment that Divisio...Football Devotee <BR/><BR/>Perhaps your comment that Division one has a promotion / relegation system in place is why FFT would not let the TIS play in that division. I was merely making the comment that the team was of a sufficient standard to compete at that level.<BR/><BR/>I wish to clarify another comment you made, my reference about a developmental ethos in no way was meant to imply that the TIS would not try to win games so the TIS would have an ethos suitable for competing in Division one.<BR/><BR/>Your idea about organising a mid week roster between Premier League sides and the TIS sounds good in theory but despite a similar commitment for friendly games last year, the squad went nearly 3 months without a game as there was no compulsion for teams to play the TIS. <BR/><BR/>Boof in his response makes a good point when he points out that last years under 15 state team had to grovel for a game each week as they were not in an organised competition.<BR/><BR/>His contribution has stiffened my belief that the only way to be guaranteed a regular game for the TIS is for them to participate in a roster involving points.<BR/><BR/>As the powers that be have decided that the correct division for the TIS is under 19 I suggest we all just get over it and get on with it.Remonstratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13837650150369627742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-7620064653092554172009-03-06T18:20:00.000+11:002009-03-06T18:20:00.000+11:00So what happens next year???The problem with the T...So what happens next year???<BR/><BR/>The problem with the TIS in 2009 is no different to last year - also experienced by U15 State team pretty much grovelling for a game each week.<BR/><BR/>This problem is not new - just hasn't been addressed.Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-88423468423650421182009-03-06T13:42:00.000+11:002009-03-06T13:42:00.000+11:00Remonstrator.Div one is the promotion side of the ...Remonstrator.<BR/><BR/>Div one is the promotion side of the promotion / relegation system in place. Hence a side that has the ethos of the TIS of development over winning all games to develop different aspects of play - is not suited to the division one compoetition.<BR/><BR/>There was never going to be a bye in U19's. Either Uni field an U19 side or the club is not able to compete as a Premier League club and would be replaced by either Metro or Taroona.<BR/><BR/>Many Premier League clubs have indicated that they are willing to be part of a midweek roster against the TIS - and thus provide stronger opposition than the U19 only teams. This is realistically the only suitable option for the TIS and they should withdraw from the University setup and allow the normal U19 roster to continue.Football devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05272437291270376310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-34741266793403604682009-03-06T06:47:00.000+11:002009-03-06T06:47:00.000+11:00Whilst many of the comments on this blog have been...Whilst many of the comments on this blog have been constructive, some appear to come from people who are either ill informed or do not have the best interests of the game at heart. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately, for the game to continue to grow in Tasmania it is essential that clubs put increased efforts into junior development. It is clear that many clubs are taking junior development seriously and it is sensible that FFT have developed a framework that forces clubs to put the effort in.<BR/><BR/>I support the concept that clubs should be penalised for not taking junior development seriously.<BR/><BR/>It is unfortunate that the University Football Club have not taken junior development as seriously as other clubs and it has clearly created resentment and anger from the clubs who have more advanced programs. The fact that the TIS will be playing under the University banner has ignited waves of resentment as appears to be a disincentive for University to lift it junior development game. I am certain that the TIS did not intend to get involved in disputes over junior development.<BR/><BR/>As a consequence of this anger against the University Football the very existence and role of the TIS has been attacked.<BR/><BR/>The two matters need to be separated.<BR/><BR/>As good as many of the junior development programs have become, they are not able to offer the level of technical training and resources that the TIS program offers.<BR/><BR/>The TIS is not only providing technical, fitness and nutritional expertise, they are providing educational support through media training, job search training and many other life skill areas.<BR/><BR/>Due to this support, players offered scholarships will in most cases choose TIS over club programs.<BR/><BR/>One of the goals of the TIS Football program is to develop players who at short notice can be called up for AIS or Australian squads. For this to happen the players need the ability to slot into the method of play that is currently being utilised by these squads.<BR/><BR/>I have seen the TIS train and play, they are a group of very talented individuals who are being developed into players with advanced technical skills, high levels of fitness and are being taught how they can best contribute to the method of play the team has adopted.<BR/><BR/>Playing in a competition is essential for the development of the players as individuals who are able to be competitive against players from interstate vying for Australian representation.<BR/><BR/>Based upon performances at the Hudson Cup, it is clear that the TIS should be playing in Division 1 but from what I understand this was not an option FFT were comfortable with. It appears the only option for the TIS was the under 19 competition. Playing under the University banner is a marriage of convenience as it fixed a problem for University, ensured there was an even number of teams in the competition avoiding the need for a bye and provided the opportunity for the TIS squad members to get a weekly game that last year they were denied.<BR/><BR/>The current arrangement may not be ideal for the TIS but as the ethos of the TIS in all the games it has played has been development over winning all games will be used to develop different aspects of play.<BR/><BR/>Playing in the under 19 competition will still be useful for scholarship holders who may in other circumstances be playing in higher leagues with clubs as they will be challenged constantly by the coaching staff.Remonstratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13837650150369627742noreply@blogger.com