tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post712364113435192043..comments2024-03-29T06:48:00.592+11:00Comments on Walter Pless on Association Football: Melbourne Victory win A-League grand finalWalterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11493237569003662448noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-15891173764555658862009-03-02T11:39:00.000+11:002009-03-02T11:39:00.000+11:00Walter - the assistants and the referee can talk t...Walter - the assistants and the referee can talk to each other using the headsets. It could have been the assistant that asked for the discussion, or just as likely it could have been the referee asking the assistant what he saw.<BR/>Referee looked like he thought it was a yellow card, and then consulted. After that consultation there appeared to be no doubt in the referees mind.<BR/><BR/>I also saw the match live and when I first saw the yellow card I thought the player was lucky not to be getting a red - but we all see things differently.<BR/><BR/>Tommy - I dont think thats vargas's arm was bent at the elbow either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-41283024425634337322009-03-01T22:54:00.000+11:002009-03-01T22:54:00.000+11:00Anon - My understanding of the rule as you've stat...Anon - My understanding of the rule as you've stated it would be that Vargas was committing the same offence, leading with an arm that could, or would block the avenue of an opponent to the ball. The fact that he didn't was simply by virtue that Cristiano jumped earlier and higher than he did? The action would appear to be the same, the actual or likely consequence is the only difference. Are we penalising acts or consequences?<BR/><BR/>Refereeing is a hard job, I'm glad I don't have to do it. I'm not attacking the referee here, I just want to understand the directive better.<BR/><BR/>Walter, further to your point the referee was initially holding a yellow card, which he changed to red after consulting his assistant, who I think might have been in a worse viewing position in terms of the angles at which they came at the ball.<BR/><BR/>Still the best side in the competition won, so it was a fair result from that perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-81279875363998002812009-03-01T22:48:00.000+11:002009-03-01T22:48:00.000+11:00I was lucky enough to be at the game and must say ...I was lucky enough to be at the game and must say live it was also a shock when Cristiano was sent off and Melbourne Fans went absolutely balistic with excitement, as you'd expect. The atmosphere at the game was just fantastic and highly recommend anyone to go in the future to watch this spectacle and witness how the Great Game is developing in OZ. I'm looking forward to seeing a Grand Final at the MCG sometime not too far awayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-64730274546099405712009-03-01T22:24:00.000+11:002009-03-01T22:24:00.000+11:00Anonymous X, Surely the referee only has to consul...Anonymous X, Surely the referee only has to consult his assistant if he is not sure about what happened in an incident, or if he didn't see an incident at all and the assistant has attracted his attention by flagging? The fact that he didn't make a decision immediately, and on his own, makes it controversial because it was open to debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-79910849307477857362009-03-01T21:32:00.000+11:002009-03-01T21:32:00.000+11:00Tommy - not from my recollection of the contact - ...Tommy - not from my recollection of the contact - vargas was not as likely(if at all) to make contact with head of his direct opponent - an entirely different action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-20279317663671292942009-03-01T21:00:00.000+11:002009-03-01T21:00:00.000+11:00In an interesting twist I'm pretty sure Vargas was...In an interesting twist I'm pretty sure Vargas was leading with his arm/elbow as well, should he not have been red carded also?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-31965069580541111862009-03-01T20:49:00.000+11:002009-03-01T20:49:00.000+11:00if you knew what the officials are told - by way o...if you knew what the officials are told - by way of specific videos and written instruction - you would not make such a comment. The referee, as he is supposed to do, listened to the view of the assistant referee and based upon their collective understandings of what had taken place, he showed a red card.<BR/><BR/>The send off for elbows in heading contests is to protect the player trying to vie for headed contact with the ball. To allow a horizontal arm bent at the elbow to block the avenue for the opponent is not approproate. Some observers have said "but he didnt swing the elbow". He already had momentum in the bent arm as he was jumping towards his opponent.<BR/><BR/>FIFA have indicated that this is a RED card, and the referee and his assistant are to be congratulated for taking the appropriate action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-48223931675188390402009-03-01T15:42:00.000+11:002009-03-01T15:42:00.000+11:00you might say the game was even'd out when alsopp ...you might say the game was even'd out when alsopp was sent off but victory had allready scored with him on. cristiano was harshly sent off due to the official seeing blood. he went to pull out the yellow and then stopped. but thats what we have come to expect from the australian referees, they are very consistant in makeing the wrong calls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com