tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post5208049429528379172..comments2024-03-19T10:00:41.345+11:00Comments on Walter Pless on Association Football: Just what the doctors orderedWalterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11493237569003662448noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-67213501669004058872010-04-22T07:22:29.949+10:002010-04-22T07:22:29.949+10:00Anon 7.05
What I am saying is that the womens rat...Anon 7.05<br /><br />What I am saying is that the womens rates are artificially high RATHER than being based on equity and consistency.Amazedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265430606873496646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-49875102607437450712010-04-21T19:05:28.577+10:002010-04-21T19:05:28.577+10:00Hmmm let's see Amazed....
"2010 Pay Sche...Hmmm let's see Amazed....<br /><br />"2010 Pay Schedule<br />League<br />Referee/Assistant<br /><br />Premier Men’s<br />$ 91.00/$ 45.50<br />Premier Reserve<br />$ 63.00/$ 31.50<br />U19 (South)<br />$ 42.00/$ 21.00<br />U18 (North)<br />$ 40.00/$ 20.00<br />Southern Division 1<br />$ 49.00/$ 24.50<br />Uhlsport Division 1 Reserve<br />$ 44.00/$ 22.00<br />Southern Division 1 U 19<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00<br />Northern Division 1<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00<br />Division 2<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00<br />Division 3<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00<br />Division 4/5<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00<br />Premier Women’s<br />$ 42.00/$ 21.00<br />Premier Women’s Reserve<br />$ 40.00/$ 20.00<br />Women’s Div 1 /2<br />$ 38.00/$ 19.00"<br /><br />So you're saying that Women's PL & Reserves are of a higher pace/competitiveness and harder to referee than Men's Div 2-3, and that Women's Div 2 is the same as them? Also that Div 1 Reserves are a higher quality too?<br /><br />You're a prime example of the FFT IQ/knowledge of the games/leagues there Amazed! Maybe if you fixed the pay scheme/rates you may actually keep a few referees every now and then!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-23326262412449744062010-04-21T17:42:52.996+10:002010-04-21T17:42:52.996+10:00Anon...April 20, 2010 10:36 PM
The TIS only play ...Anon...April 20, 2010 10:36 PM<br /><br />The TIS only play against the Premier reserves, so relegation is not an issue for these games and<br />the only resources you need to play attractive football and win games are a ball, field and goals...plus good coaching!!!<br />A direct approach hasn't been 'more effective' for teams playing against South's Premier team, or the TIS for that matter.<br /><br />'paranoia'????!!!!What Tha?<br /><br />Now for the record, i am not associated with the TIS in any way.<br /> I am an interested spectator who is passionate about TWG...i admire the way Knights play football. Last year, some of their Friday night games were fantastic! Not suprised Fish won the B&F.The Generalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07794888908936843057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-89021743248915138532010-04-21T11:17:31.734+10:002010-04-21T11:17:31.734+10:00Adrian
One of the themes within the referees pay ...Adrian<br /><br />One of the themes within the referees pay scales is that the harder the match is to referee - in terms of pace, ability and competitivenss of the partcipants - the higher the match fee.<br /><br />Whilst the current ranking of Womens Premier League is the same as South Div 1 Mens Reserves I would think most referees would find the Womens Premier League matches easier to referee.<br /><br />In terms of consistency and equity it appears gender biased in favour of women already.Amazedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265430606873496646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-29977510717355402472010-04-21T10:16:33.403+10:002010-04-21T10:16:33.403+10:00Inter 31% possesion this morn, INTER 3 BARCA 1, Jo...Inter 31% possesion this morn, INTER 3 BARCA 1, Jose is the masterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-79292033207460609602010-04-21T09:27:27.383+10:002010-04-21T09:27:27.383+10:00Anon 5.42
I would agree with your point completel...Anon 5.42<br /><br />I would agree with your point completely. You can't pick up points if you are shipping an average of 3 goals a game. <br /><br />I would only clarify the point I made about style of play and the difference between say Taroona and Clarence or Kingborough is that it is far easier for Taroona to put players behind the ball and get points if they need to rather than the others to come out and play if they get into a mindset about not taking risks first and being pragmatic. It can become a habit and effect the team when they may need to win 2 or 3 games in the last 4 or 5 games to avoid the drop.<br /><br />Would also like to say I was very impressed with the young Taroona keeper and the young blonde guy who played up front. Young players to watch I suspect.Richard Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279018136372849497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-72822145609675805232010-04-21T07:02:41.172+10:002010-04-21T07:02:41.172+10:00To compare TIS with club sides is pointless .TIS s...To compare TIS with club sides is pointless .TIS should be better than club sides ,if you look at the whole set up logically.They train 5 times per week and have been doing so for many months.Clubs do not have access to the resources that the TIS does.If club sides were able to train 5 days per week at the intensity that the TIS is able to , and have access to the resources they do,then I am sure that they would be at a higher standard than they presently are.Also do not forget that these are the (so-called) best young players in the state that have been hand picked . Generally clubs do not have that luxury .They are required to accommodate players of all levels and ability in most instances. TIS play a better style and are technically ( most of them ) better than most other players ,and they should be due to the reasons mentioned above,so lets stop comparing apples with oranges and just enjoy watching them play ,if that is what you do.Interestednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-79771422362450852062010-04-20T22:36:42.582+10:002010-04-20T22:36:42.582+10:00To the General ...
the comment relates to the abi...To the General ...<br /><br />the comment relates to the ability for TIS to play pretty as they have nothing at stake through the results unlike the Clubs that risk relegation and therefore may opt for a more direct, effexctive style especially as coaches don't have the resources the TIS does. <br /><br />If you put your paranoia aside for a moment this was actually a compliment for TIS as well as making a comment about why other teams may not be able to adopt thier style.<br /><br />Interestring to see TIs supporters (parents) coming out of their shell now that the team has won a few games in the reserves wednesday night games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-66381787126554941132010-04-20T21:28:29.117+10:002010-04-20T21:28:29.117+10:00Knights are only one point off South, yet, Knights...Knights are only one point off South, yet, Knights cant seem to have a good contest when they play them. 4 nil and 3 nil this year<br /><br />Im a big hater of gender inequality, but to pay a ref the same amount when they ref a womens game is ludicrous. The standard is way to far behind men; slower and poorer. Its alot harder to referee a mens game, hence better pay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-87503802560105763582010-04-20T20:27:37.122+10:002010-04-20T20:27:37.122+10:00Mr or Mister Amazed 4:51pm
I am writing from the ...Mr or Mister Amazed 4:51pm<br /><br />I am writing from the angle of a concerned and passionate football tragic. One who knows the rules, as a player, coach and qualified referee. I have been involved in football over the last 30 plus years and have worked under various jurisdictions and I willing to put my name to my comments.<br /><br />Consistency and equity is what is required, ones perception on various differences between women and men football is irrelevant in the context of my earlier comment.<br /><br />Brian, thanks you comments, you constantly are willing to put your name to your commentsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183504022560649289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-56638030579764095732010-04-20T19:20:40.561+10:002010-04-20T19:20:40.561+10:00dont know what your perception of a big gap is pho...dont know what your perception of a big gap is phoenix maybe the gap between your ears .have a look at the table .1 point my friendAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-57501980353190117452010-04-20T17:42:07.252+10:002010-04-20T17:42:07.252+10:00The first response from Ken is right. Its three po...The first response from Ken is right. Its three points - enough said. We all know Clarence will be difficult at WWP. The outcome and not the performance is important on these occasions.<br /><br />South are dangerous as they have pace up front and a strong defence. They can afford to only score once and win most games.<br /><br />Clarence still lack that class up front. Saying that quality strikers are rare in Tasmania. No one has followed Matt Sanders for a few years now.<br /><br />I like your feedback Richard but will disagree with you this time. Taroona have a poor defence highlighted by the fact their best player was a centre back through the Summer Cup. They shipped 5 against South and 3 at home to Boro. Its now 17 for the year, the highest in the SPL. The warning signs are there -if they want to avoid the drop then some unattractive away draws might be necessary. Average of nearly 3 goals a game being conceeded - needs serious attention.<br /><br />I think now that the Croatia will be the only team to challenge South for the league. I think now that the Croatia will be the only team to challenge South for the league. The battle at the bottom will be intriguing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-87797807011950020242010-04-20T17:13:22.482+10:002010-04-20T17:13:22.482+10:00rick abbott, akthough your son will is an exceptio...rick abbott, akthough your son will is an exceptional player your comments wreak of sour grapes, the refereeing of that game was a disgrace and there was little to no abuse of players so can you please sort your head out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-22399894251208981142010-04-20T17:09:29.737+10:002010-04-20T17:09:29.737+10:00Adrian
I wholeheartedly support your comment .
...Adrian <br /><br />I wholeheartedly support your comment .<br /><br />The essence of promotion and relegation is that over time teams / clubs find the appropriate level at which to participate .<br /><br />Leaders of the pack would be the nervous who can see a spell on the outer staring them in the face .<br /><br />As a matter of interest the clubs that were invited to upgrade to either the Premier or Div 1 leagues have all found the going tough .<br /><br />Only Nelson survive in their origial form .<br /><br />The valley have gone , Christians have disappeared .<br /><br />DODA have had a chequered history after being with Howrah one of the few clubs that gained promotion from Div 4 or was it 5 through to Div 1.<br /><br />Lack of promotion and relegation has been to the detriment of Australian Football .Brian Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03605607543398994203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-15817839886091247042010-04-20T17:05:15.337+10:002010-04-20T17:05:15.337+10:00Anon,April 20, 2010 2:06 PM... No, they won games ...Anon,April 20, 2010 2:06 PM... No, they won games because they got the ball in the net more often than their opposition. They are fit, fast, strong in the tackle, work as a team...and the list goes on.<br />I have seen a lot of the TIS games, the refereeing has been good. The other Premier Reserve teams are more often than not, second to the ball and tend to give away more free kicks!<br />What's your next excuse for losing!!!The Generalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07794888908936843057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-23383996886823115302010-04-20T16:51:05.951+10:002010-04-20T16:51:05.951+10:00Adrian
not enough womens teams for automatic prom...Adrian<br /><br />not enough womens teams for automatic promotion relegation.<br /><br />When the quality and pace and difficulty of the womens matches gets somewhere near the mens then perhaps you can come back again and ask for equality in terms of the refs fees.<br /><br />when posting your comments perhaps identifying what clubs you are assocoiated with would assist people's perceptions? <br /><br />( I am club neutral )Amazedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265430606873496646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-84058121541516280662010-04-20T15:36:34.291+10:002010-04-20T15:36:34.291+10:00While the debate rages about what teams play which...While the debate rages about what teams play which way , one thing has become obvious . The gap between south and the rest of the pack is big.The Phoenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05127217306347316874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-85257542018848926532010-04-20T15:02:42.721+10:002010-04-20T15:02:42.721+10:00i read today some clubs are questioning the validi...i read today some clubs are questioning the validity of automatic promotion and relegation from the southern men Premier & Div 1 leagues.<br />Given the top four all comply with the rules, there is no real reason to suspend the structure. This is more a push by a few nervous Premier league clubs looking at relegation.<br /><br />If we are serious about the game, automatic relegation promotion should remain and be extended to include womens football. Also of importance those who referee women games should be paid the same as a mens games, equality at all levels. The rostering of referees needs an audit, perhaps the use of neutral grounds will facilitate referee/match rosteringUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183504022560649289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-60803018610583547492010-04-20T14:06:29.155+10:002010-04-20T14:06:29.155+10:00General, they (TIS) have no doubt won most games d...General, they (TIS) have no doubt won most games due to the fact they're given free kicks the minute anyone touches them, apparently its not a contact sport for those mid-week matches!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-57301948955147542502010-04-20T13:37:27.099+10:002010-04-20T13:37:27.099+10:00Rick Abbott, I was not relating to the Clarence su...Rick Abbott, I was not relating to the Clarence supporters at the game you mention. I was referring to their behaviour generally at most games ,especially at their home , Wentworth Park, on many occasions but also at other grounds. They are disgusting and if Brownie is such a large influence at the club ,then maybe , together with their board, this should be one area that should be investigated. After all , performance/behaviour begins at the top . Absolutely disgusting in many people's opinion.Interestednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-90847818384915538812010-04-20T12:29:24.920+10:002010-04-20T12:29:24.920+10:00Anon -April 19, 2010 10:28 PM ...the TIS have won ...Anon -April 19, 2010 10:28 PM ...the TIS have won 3 games (4-1, 4-3, & 3-1), drawn 1-1, and lost to Knights 2-3, a game they could easily have won. The loss to South was without their regular keeper. He is a good keeper, but didn't have a great game. So, not sure what you're on about?The Generalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07794888908936843057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-35463943076811710692010-04-20T12:28:15.802+10:002010-04-20T12:28:15.802+10:00so much for brown's 'young team' that ...so much for brown's 'young team' that 'try to play good football' that we've been hearing so much about from him in the last couple of years. They are'nt notably younger than many other teams and don't even try to play good football.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-18966856571871841222010-04-20T11:24:47.697+10:002010-04-20T11:24:47.697+10:00Taroona have been the only team I have seen take i...Taroona have been the only team I have seen take it to south this season and try to come out and play which they certainly did in patches but couldn't sustain a few weeks ago.<br /><br />They will develop as a team over the season and have more than a limited game plan. this will mean I expect them to pick up surprise points during the season unlike other teams who have set themselves up to be too predictable and limit themselves to getting acceptable results. I mean results and not points neccessarily.<br /><br />this may backfire later in the season as I see no point or benefit in losing 5-1 or 2-0 as has happened in the case of taroona and clarence recently to south. I can see a light at the end of the tunnel for taroona though compared to some of the teams around them on the table.<br /><br />I do know though that Franco is too clever to not see this also so maybe they will adapt a new game plan next time.Richard Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279018136372849497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-45305504183874266202010-04-20T10:12:16.634+10:002010-04-20T10:12:16.634+10:00Just glad that we get the chance to see a team lik...Just glad that we get the chance to see a team like South play decent football and prevail over the defensive slop that many teams serve up.<br /><br />Even if it is a legitimate game plan to defend and counter (particularly if you dont have the 'cattle'), surely there comes a time when you should try to improve the 'cattle' you have. <br /><br />IMO Clarence have gone backwards this year in that regard as they were playing better football 12 mths ago.surf's upnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-55013451964299882522010-04-19T22:40:36.757+10:002010-04-19T22:40:36.757+10:00In relation to the comments by "Interested&qu...In relation to the comments by "Interested" I would have to say that the spectators at this game were tame relative to the game at the same venue on Wednesday night. <br />On that occasion the abuse was not directed so much at the players but at the referees, who took an ongoing pasting for whole game and even as they walked from the field.<br />All in the name of a bit of drunken fun.<br />A pretty sad state of affairs really.<br />Long live a bit of good natured banter but why can't we stamp out these other pratts who greatly detrac from most spectators enjoyment of the game.Rick Abbottnoreply@blogger.com