tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post7871225233016543273..comments2024-03-30T00:53:15.503+11:00Comments on Walter Pless on Association Football: Wass is Eagles' best and fairestWalterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11493237569003662448noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-36177264675694254142009-10-19T14:39:40.834+11:002009-10-19T14:39:40.834+11:00rangers president,how do i get in touch with you?rangers president,how do i get in touch with you?jerrie kruijverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373950674705962184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-74232158508312440672009-10-19T13:06:34.785+11:002009-10-19T13:06:34.785+11:00there are 2 separate issues in developing the game...there are 2 separate issues in developing the game.the most important one is to see club administrators put their sole effort into seeing their clubs grow.we should not judge a clubs succes by the number of trophies it wins but by the number of teams from every age group it can can put on the park every week.the more people we can get on the park the more talent the coaches will discover.there is enough coaching talent around to do that.with a small population like wehave we cant support that many clubs but we can certainly make far better use of the players we now have to even out the leagues and avoid cricketscores.the standard of the game will only improve by only allowing those teams that have actually proved on the park that they belong in a certain league to be in there.with a small population we have to do things different than if we had millions of players on the books.clubs in the end are only the means to put people on the park,the trophies are won by the players and coaches of that particular team.make more use of the premier league reserves and use them to bloster the strength of division one.dont waste that talent.jerrie kruijverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373950674705962184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-72378951668341703332009-10-19T10:41:53.834+11:002009-10-19T10:41:53.834+11:00reality69
the point being made by myself and someo...reality69<br />the point being made by myself and someone who cares is that love for the game is a great motivator for the too few who get high level coaching qualifications. they do exist here but are underutilised. as chris hey has pointed out high level licences are achieved at great expense to the individuals and little reward here financially unlike interstate. these individuals do have something to contribute to the debate about coaching systems and should be.<br /><br />that point was probably not explained in my previous post. I do wish steve the best in his efforts to improve the general level of coaching and development in tasmania.Richard Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279018136372849497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-35690713664043257642009-10-18T22:28:54.960+11:002009-10-18T22:28:54.960+11:00richard benet is it reely true that peepl who luv ...richard benet is it reely true that peepl who luv the game luv the game. i did not no that.<br /><br />if steve pain can put back wot dave abela started thats ok just dont go ovabored coz taze is difrent - smallr difrent dinamix. <br /><br />sum1 wot cares makes good sensiCaptainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-79925372346321195192009-10-18T21:58:11.358+11:002009-10-18T21:58:11.358+11:00is it the success or how incredibly arrogant sth h...is it the success or how incredibly arrogant sth has become ?Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-25754088851077661102009-10-18T18:27:07.408+11:002009-10-18T18:27:07.408+11:00good to hear from you someone who cares""...good to hear from you someone who cares"" we will talk no doubt shortly. you gave away too much info on your background mate.<br /><br />a lot to be said for the people who love the game and take on high level qualification because they love the game and want to learn and teach. too many short term well meaning enthusiasts who don't stay in the game and there are lots of reasons for that not all because they choose to walk away. unfortunately we all step away from the coal face because we have other priorities. hopefully we keep our passion and respect for the game.<br /><br />I would like to hear more about the FFT/steve payne coaching meeting from an experienced coaches viewpoint. I have spoken to steve about some football issues and also enfield london lifestyle. I didn't make the meeting because of work but was interested in the vision despite a little scepticism about the text book propoganda.<br /><br />also good to hear that south hobart are upsetting the one club wonders because they are successfull, long may it last!!!!!!! pity it comes from a club that should have some affinity it is tasmania.Richard Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279018136372849497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-9873292581112886072009-10-18T15:47:50.773+11:002009-10-18T15:47:50.773+11:00Someone who cares
You make some good points, but y...Someone who cares<br />You make some good points, but you also sound very xenophobic. Some outside help and wisdom should be accepted with open arms, not dismissed with suspicionmadmcglonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283792431948878507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-53034142582864229732009-10-18T15:27:03.281+11:002009-10-18T15:27:03.281+11:00if your not good enough to play seniors by the tim...if your not good enough to play seniors by the time your 15 you wont make it anywhere outside tasmania plain and simplegoogleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650690937154101019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-37435413948063216052009-10-18T14:47:25.391+11:002009-10-18T14:47:25.391+11:00I have been playing and coaching for over 45 years...I have been playing and coaching for over 45 years. I am one of the first coaches to hold a level 2 science of sport/senior/youth and junior license as well as coaching premier league one in Victoria (the days when national league and premier league one were the highest in Australia). All these licenses were obtained in Melbourne and Sydney. I have been involved with juniors/youths and seniors in women and men’s leagues, as far as Darwin. <br /><br />I am sick of hearing/reading about people arriving in Hobart and trying to dictate what is good for our youths. First of all the players that do represent Tasmania are only a handful of our good players. We have so many young talented players that don't have a chance to represent their state due to financial reasons. <br /><br />Many years ago we had a under 21 competition that allowed a number of over aged players to play in each team to guide the team. At the moment we have so many under 21 players that are playing in our premier/reserve/Div 1 leagues. Why can't we go back to having premier league, under 21 league, Under 17's and so on? To allow our TIS team to play in our under 21 league. This will still allow div 1 to fight for rights to promote themselves in to premier league. Plus there will still be a 2,3 and 4 league. <br /><br />The areas that we all should be looking at to better ourselves here in Hobart are:<br />1.Financial support for all our youth state sides.<br />2.Better coaches/coaching.<br />3.To allow TIS teams to play midweek against any premier league as a practice/training game.<br /><br />Although I don’t have children involved in football. I do understand that all parents want the best for their child. I myself, as a coach have spent some of my best years with juniors and youths in both men’s and women’s leagues and understand the importance of having coaches, people, parents and all other back up, especially those who understand the priorities in the team. <br /><br />Mr Steve Payne, still unknown to Hobart/Tasmania, should have presented himself to all clubs to announce his arrival and the position that he will be filling with FFT. I myself, have never met Steve, but from the feedback I received from others, the comments have been negative. For example the way that he presented himself at the meeting on Thursday night, the language that he used and the way he dictated terms is not the way to attract people to follow. <br /><br />I would like to finish off by saying that there are only a few of us left from the old and new school. That have seen the good and the bad and at this moment the bad seems to be coming back. We here in Hobart/Tassie don’t need strangers to think that they can push buttons and make things happen. We need people that have a good knowledge of the game, the love of the game and respect for the people involved. Yes I agree, we need to do more for our juniors and youths but we also need these young players to have an aim. At the moment the highest that they will play in Hobart is premier league. I would love to see a small percentage to go further. Unfortunately that will probably only happen if they are living on the mainland.Someone that careshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630385039184482738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-564221052166847362009-10-18T10:34:43.473+11:002009-10-18T10:34:43.473+11:002 or 3 17 year olds in TIS in 2010. I wonder at wh...2 or 3 17 year olds in TIS in 2010. I wonder at what age these players will go to a Club or whether the TIS coach will keep older players longer now that the team is playing Premier League Seniors - to help the younger ones.<br /><br />Are these 17 year olds really still considered to be of sufficient potential to play for Australia?<br /><br />I guess what I'm really struggling with is the purpose of the TIS as opposed to the FFT program and how that supports having 16 players aged 14 - 17 playing in the SPL.<br /><br />AND these players won't be allowed to represent Tassie at Nationals.Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-1785647159888389622009-10-17T17:17:49.825+11:002009-10-17T17:17:49.825+11:00REDS I did not intend to upset you. I was just try...REDS I did not intend to upset you. I was just trying to make the point that the TIS was too good to have been playing in PL u19s. The table below show they were undefeated (they forfeited last game so lost 3 to 0) and they scored 40 more goals then the 2nd placed team and conceded 12 less goals. Even if the squad has been weakened due to their policy of bringing in younger players they would still give most senior teams a run for their money. I think that most people are anti TIS due to the coach – remember the TIS players will eventually go to clubs if they do not make it interstate or overseas – it is in our interest to support them.<br />University 21 18 2 1 124 16 56 <br />Clarence United 21 17 1 3 84 25 52 <br />South Hobart 21 12 1 8 58 50 37 <br />Glenorchy Knights 21 9 3 9 64 64 30 <br />New Town Eagles 21 8 1 12 48 71 25 <br />Tilford Zebras 21 5 2 14 44 74 17 <br />Hobart Olympic 21 5 0 16 46 106 15 <br />Kingborough Lions 21 4 2 15 38 100 14the floaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615894287343772094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-24916173649052824952009-10-17T14:34:32.811+11:002009-10-17T14:34:32.811+11:00Well from my understand TIS played under the banne...Well from my understand TIS played under the banner of University this season so by default they were also relegated!<br /><br />To suggest that a state TIS youth squad take a spot in the top league is nothing but a joke. This will not help the sport develop nor develop the kids effectively.<br />Far better for these young kids to play with clubs if they wish, train extra with the state program and play extra games. <br /><br />Where are all the u19's squad players for Uni/TIS now? how many games did they play against interstate and or overseas opponents. Did any achieve try outs with clubs????<br /><br />Bottom line training etc and playing etc games works well around the world so why must Tasmania continue to try to redevelop the wheel and come out each time falling further behind.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948642829158265736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-88597526654181217682009-10-16T22:19:13.116+11:002009-10-16T22:19:13.116+11:00Oh shit! Sth Hobart - you really must know what yo...Oh shit! Sth Hobart - you really must know what you're talking about. <br /><br />I was referring to the two times the TIS struggled to beat Clarence U19s (2-2 and 2-1). Did you watch those two games?Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14709785366661636583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-12950283760722955582009-10-16T20:40:34.839+11:002009-10-16T20:40:34.839+11:00I am involved with South Hobart but watched a few ...I am involved with South Hobart but watched a few TIS games for interest. Contrary to comments from REDS the TIS completely outplayed Clarence under 19s when I saw them beat them 4 to 0 and if the squad was the same they could play Premier League and be competitive. From what I have heard the TIS has dropped 4 or 5 players from this years squad and replaced them with some smaller younger players so would get hammered if they are playing PL next year so this option should be shelved. Not sure what the solution is but the TIS should be supported even if Dean May is involved. The state under 14 and under 15 team without the TIS members would not gain from playing PL u19 and PL reserves – too small too slow. Let hope FFT for once make a positive contribution to the sport and come up with a plan that helps develop talented youngsters.the floaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615894287343772094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-38958656638492739192009-10-16T17:21:57.897+11:002009-10-16T17:21:57.897+11:00Maggot - Agreed. Hence the TIS challenge ... and N...Maggot - Agreed. Hence the TIS challenge ... and Nationals ...<br /><br />although on this matter as some have sAID before Tassie can't really sustain 16 tis players across even a 2-3 year age group without compromising quality (some of the tis boys are just not that good and they've added a lot of younger 1s last week). <br /><br />maybe we should contribute players to vis or act/tas-is or nthnswis something ...<br /><br />but yes Richard, well done for 1ce.<br /><br />if the tis struggled to beat clarence u19s twice how would they fare vs the senior team (l&lolol).Who careshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03142455623903160678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-6218545339369120772009-10-16T16:49:41.389+11:002009-10-16T16:49:41.389+11:00for the 1st time ever richard has made a good poin...for the 1st time ever richard has made a good point!!!!!!harden up maggotshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00560832401149039257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-27747329274725953412009-10-16T00:57:19.427+11:002009-10-16T00:57:19.427+11:00The TIS need to play against really technically sh...The TIS need to play against really technically sharp players their own age rather than bigger, faster & stronger Premier League players who often aren't as good as they are. Then it becomes about the TIS players' technical & strategic ability. They need to learn to play one touch flat out against top opposition in that age range. That doesn't exist In Tasmania, does it? <br /><br />We need to develop closer links with Victorian junior Champions League (zone) teams and get to play them in as many matches as possible. Lots of positives there. Pathway for really good players etc. The other solution is cloning technology.Richard Bladelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11038003201875725582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-23125934379485014582009-10-15T21:13:42.918+11:002009-10-15T21:13:42.918+11:00Why not raise the age of the TIS team. Play them i...Why not raise the age of the TIS team. Play them in the prem league and have a reserve TIS team in the u19s. Pay them expenses, so you get the cream of the crop. Liase with the A league and try and send the best of the best for extended trials. Byron bay fc played the Gold coast A league team in a pre season match. They had a gala day were guys like Culina held sessions for the kids. There is already a bond held btw both clubs because of good communications took place by the heads of both clubs. There is a new Melbourne team happening,what a great opportunity for something to happen here. The tassie A league effort doesn't look like it will happen. Kids need goals to improve, and it is the FFT's responsibility to format something so there is an avenue for kids with ability to strive formadmcglonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283792431948878507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-33277210175505767842009-10-15T18:43:24.861+11:002009-10-15T18:43:24.861+11:00Hi Walter,
How does inclusion of the TIS in the Pr...Hi Walter,<br />How does inclusion of the TIS in the Premier League in 2010 fit into FFT's Strategic Plan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-15701573836876037882009-10-15T18:06:50.302+11:002009-10-15T18:06:50.302+11:00TIS is a means to an end not the end itself. Maybe...TIS is a means to an end not the end itself. Maybe this is the only way May can get himself a Premier League start.Who careshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03142455623903160678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-36510597889157051542009-10-15T15:07:55.306+11:002009-10-15T15:07:55.306+11:00TIS issue is another example of the tail wagging t...TIS issue is another example of the tail wagging the dog with the FFT administration.<br /><br />the minority interests are being catered for to the detriment of the games majority stakeholders. there is no benefit for the game which should be the FFT's focus.<br /><br />junior development and serious competition are two different things. As walter points out it's an indictment on the competition it is considered an option. this happened in the early 90's in the state league with the development squad playing in the reserves comp because Devonport didn't field a reserves team for some reason. I don't recall any members of that development squad going on to have any real senior careers after it folded after 1 or 2 seasons. <br /><br />also the competition structures should be set with clubs finding their level and those who get their act together are promoted those who don't are not. this may mean a transition where some clubs drop a division to rebuild but that should be their responsibility not changing rules again or not applying them. <br /><br />the TIS players play in the club system around experienced players and compliment their elite program while gaining practical competitive experience, hopefully at the best level here.<br /><br />playing standard improvement will only start from the ground up if the FFT put in place appropriate support and structures for the clubs and the clubs commit to improving their administration, coaching personnel, facilities and junior development programs. in other words take responsibility for their long term stability and growth.Richard Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279018136372849497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-32962959849491940452009-10-15T12:17:05.254+11:002009-10-15T12:17:05.254+11:00Seems like FFT are just making things up as they g...Seems like FFT are just making things up as they go. I thougth a local bloke becoming the new CEO that had been through the good times of Tassie Football & now seeing the bad would know which way we need to go and get things set in concrete to run for a few years @ leastR U Serious Refhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06360844426453982170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-21133350532295335112009-10-15T12:14:40.893+11:002009-10-15T12:14:40.893+11:00Why was Wass not in the Southern side??? Thought ...Why was Wass not in the Southern side??? Thought he would be a regular by now. Do people not rate him. All the games Iv'e seen him play he has done well & has the measure off the opposition strikers. Just a questionR U Serious Refhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06360844426453982170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-82371772074043667482009-10-15T11:58:43.021+11:002009-10-15T11:58:43.021+11:00And will the TIS be relegated to Div 1 if they fin...And will the TIS be relegated to Div 1 if they finish last in the Premier League? What is FFT's long term plan?Old Man Riverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15664039755676946104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3290088887405022587.post-53170882835660712122009-10-15T10:09:59.064+11:002009-10-15T10:09:59.064+11:00premier league and division 1 teams should only co...premier league and division 1 teams should only consist of teams that have earned the right on the park to be in there.let tis play div2 and win that,then go div 1 and win that and then go premier league.it would be a slap in the face for all eight premier league sides to fight all season to avoid relegation only to see a team being promoted that has not earned it.jerrie kruijverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373950674705962184noreply@blogger.com