Football Tasmania has ordered last Sunday’s Lakoseljac Cup quarter-final between South Hobart and Kingborough Lions United to be replayed after an error was found on the South Hobart team sheet.
South Hobart won the quarter-final 3-2, but Kasper Hallam was included on the team sheet as a starting player but he did not play.
His place in the team was taken by Tobias Herweynen, who was listed as a substitute.
Herweynen scored a goal in the 36th minute to equalise at 1-1.
Hallam was excluded from the team before kick-off, apparently because of injury, but the change was not made on the official team sheet.
It is believed that assistant referee Tony Peart pointed out the error on the team sheet to referee Monty Piesse at half-time.
Football Tasmania issued the following statement this morning after the cancellation of the scheduled semi-final draw of the Lakoseljac Cup:
Football Tasmania has determined that The Lakoseljac Cup quarter final match between South Hobart and Kingborough will be replayed due to a breach of s1.12 of the 2020 Statewide Cup Rules:
“1.12
Team Sheets
The team sheet must contain the names and shirt numbers of the players
taking part in the match, including the names of the nominated substitutes AND
all team officials.”
In accordance with Law 3 section 5 of the FIFA Laws of the Game, the match continued with no sanction against any player at the time, and the matter was reported to Football Tasmania for attention.
Football Tasmania accepts that the breach was an administrative error, however to preserve the integrity of the competition the match will be replayed.
The replay will be mid-week at a time and venue to be determined with the semi final draw and matches to take place as scheduled.
There is no penalty laid down in the rules of the competition for such an infringement and Football Tasmania has decided on the replay.
South Hobart coach, Ken Morton, did not want to comment, while Kingborough coach Jes Kenth said he was puzzled by the decision to have a replay rather than a disqualification.
Kenth said his team had away matches coming up and it would be difficult to squeeze in a mid-week replay.
The semi-final draw for the Lakoseljac Cup is:
Olympia Warriors v Launceston City
Glenorchy Knights v South Hobart or Kingborough Lions United
55 comments:
Simple really.
The team that broke the rules is punished and the result is awarded 3-0 to the team that followed the rules.
Simple really.
There will likely be quite a reaction to this - especially around the issue of consistency.
In two areas, FT can improve:
With consistency; they need to be mindful of their past decisions and if they stray from these they should at least explain.
With transparency; here FT is seriously deficient. They do not make their annual financial statements available and even have a clause in their constitution saying they can decide to withhold this information from clubs and the wider footballing public. The Board should be ashamed - they will not be of course!
Why do South Hobart escape this. Any other club and it would be a disqualification.
This stinks like a rotten fish.
It was a simple admin error that had NO impact on the result. Aren't the referees meant to look at the team sheet prior to the game starting?
South beat Kingo, there should not be a replay. A fine perhaps for South Hobart.
Quarter Final match being replayed Walter, rather than Semi final
Three words for both South Hobart & Football Tasmania. Poor, Poor, Poor
Kingborough can get the match replayed another 3 times won’t change the result with that team .... Might as well print the Knights vs South Semi final programme now
This is an example of the inconsistent approach taken by FFT.
If the roles were reversed Kingborough would be out of the cup and fined.
So does the Red card still stand? I would hope not as the way I read this is that the game is nul and void
Clubs were punished last year for admin errors so why does South get a replay is beyond me. Those clubs should make a formal protest about south receiving a replay as they were not entitled to have this opportunity.
Sorry but as a South supporter the club really must do the right thing and give it to the Lions .
Exactly.
Sorry but I’ll think you’ll find those other teams that have been disqualified previously which by the way happened to South in the 2018 Summer Cup which they won and then had to give back we’re all due to ineligible players taking the field ... cup tied etc ... this was not the case here all South players were eligible to play just someone ticked the wrong box for on and off totally different set of circumstances .... would have thought Kingborough would also know what Toby looks like seeing he played there and quite hard to mistake for Kasper
Well said Charlie. Craig T.
Before you make such statements, look at the FIFA laws of the game stated. In my opinion the result should stand!
Ken won’t comment because he knows what the correct decision should be
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It was a simple admin error that had NO impact on the result.
September 9, 2020 at 2:29 PM
Really?
A player who wasn't suposed to be on the pitch scored a goal, but you reckon it had no impact on the result!
South should have been disqualified.
A 3-0 "default" punishment will be vital to goal difference - in a Cup competition.
Boro easily could have changed their starting 11/formation/tactics based on the fact that they believed Kasper was playing so it quite easily affected the match result
ok so are the players from last weeks under 20's cup match match now available for South Hobart? Their kick off was at the same time as this null and void game last week. Also what happens to the red car does this count?
Anon 6.50pm .... Really so Kingborough would have changed their line up and formation with what didn’t realise Messi was on the bench ... next you’re going to say they would have started playing it out instead of hacking every single goal kick over half way .... Lions are very lucky to get a replay as they certainly don’t deserve it based on performance ... I’ve got an idea how about we let football decide the outcome for a second time ... could be embarrassing for Lions however as the 5-0 result in the NPL is more reflective of where these two teams are at
September 9, 2020 at 3:49 PM
National Disciplinary Regulations provide:
14.3 A direct red card issued during an abandoned Match will be upheld, regardless of whether
the Match is replayed or not.
7:23pm, if you watched the news tonight you would have clearly heard the Lions coach saying that he set up anticipating that South were going to play 3 at the back based off their teamsheet
7:23PM i would say Lions would of trained defensively thinking that it would be Kasper, Andy & Sam starting up front. Lions would have had tactic to combat these players plus player tasks because that's what coaches do. Whether they work or not is another story.
7:47pm will be interesting to see if a "null and void game" is interpreted as being the same as an abandoned game of these are different things
Anon 6:01 PM
He was allowed to be on the pitch, they just didn't declare it.
People thinking that Kingo would have won had they known Hallam wasn't playing, and Herweynen was, are having a laff.
South won. Give them a fine. Jog on.
Anon 8.47pn.
Please spare us the rubbish. What a load of crap.
Hard to see how Lions were "disadvantaged". Rules may be rules but last year Olympia broke the "5 yellow card" rule with a player and then were successful in their appeal when an "independent" tribunal came up with an absolutely absurd decision. The call that any other club would be disqualified here doesn't stack up. The lack of consistency from FT makes any definite call in this case impossible.
Ugh,
What is your name? Perhaps you were in the room? Anyway if you were we both heard the ruling.
Please tell us which part of my argument and the subsequent decision you think was absurd and why.
Cheers.
My only worry with this whole issue is that FFT have now made a rod for there own back!
Having made this decision this will set a precedent for other clubs in the future to explore and manipulate!!!
Grey is not a good colour for rules!!
Anon 7.48. Pm.
Didn’t see the news but if that is what the Boro coach said then he is not a coach.
You don’t presume anything based on lust of players.
Maybe South were going to play 3 at the back based on the previous meeting of the
teams.
Even if he said it I doubt he was serious . He is a bit of a smart a.... at times.
White Eagle missed out on the Laka Cup this year due to admin error and I believe when realised Football Tasmania said no.
all the controversy is with Football Tasmania in too many ways we see different standards.
Poor old Eagles they got shafted by FFT this year in the Cup. Geez FFT make things too confusing.
Who are you Mamacas? The ruling was given on the FT website and I can read. As for the "independent" tribunal, no names were given or how the members were decided upon. Explain the decision again in simple English if you can.
George , if you promise to turn down the volume on The (music ) at half time I promise to return the 5 footballs that my Rottweiler guards in our backyard
Like a fish on a line. As a club president why would you get sucked into debating an anonymous idiot on here??
Seems to be a case of an injury in warm up.
A clerical oversight.
No advantage sort
No advantage gained.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
So we have a midweek game that will of course psychologically favour the team given a second chance. This game will also impact both teams in the league as well, as all NPL teams are really on skeleton squads.
My gut and admittedly prejudiced feeling is that the knights v south semi
is potentially one of the games of the season. ..be a shame to lose it .
Ugh - decision on 5 yellow card ruling last season was quite straightforward.
FFT used the FFT comeptition rules to count both yellow cards in the same match to the one player (which resulted in a send-off) when considering the 5 yellow card limit. FFA National Competition Rules apply whenever a State's Comeptition Rules are at odds with those Natioanl ruls. The National rules stipulate that only the first of those two yellow cards count towards the 5 yellow card limit.
Is that simple enough for you?
Anon 7:48 What has lust got to do with it?
No that isn't simple enough. Are you saying that if FFT have different rules to FFA then the FFA rules over-ride them? That isn't true though...is it
I have to say that interview from Jez on the news was a disgrace talk about trying to beat it up .... I used to think he was a decent coach but he just sounded like a fool saying he had planned for South to start with back 3 upon seeing the team sheet .... have been watching South play for a number of years and have never seen them play with a back 3 ever so sounds like a great idea in a Laka qtr final ..:: Jez you need to check your facts before making stupid statements that do nothing for yourself or your club
Why don't FFT rules comply to the national standings? Who made these FFT rules and why have them in the books if they can de dismissed on appeal in this fashion. That's absurd! Other questions in this regard are: why did it take so long to hear his appeal? Who were on the tribunal and how were they selected? No wonder there is such confusion with so much inconsistency and lack of transparency.
South Hobart are heading towards being the most disliked club in the state poor form indeed !
Can’t wait for kasper and Tobias to both start in the replay and take kingborough to the cleaners
Anon - September 10, 2020 at 9:05 PM - That is EXACTLY the case.
What an embarrassing decision.
FFT administrators firmly tucked in South Hobarts pocket.
Appears Kingborough are lucky they are getting a replay as it seems the rules in respect to such an error are not clear.
You can’t disqualify a team if the rules do not state that a disqualification is the penalty. Unless I am incorrect I interpret that FFT have taken this decision to
protect integrity of the competition. Maybe a replay should not be an option either as the rules don’t confirm that either.
Ugh.
Bitter towards Olympia much???? Get over it. Why don't you call FFT and ask them rather than trying to stir things up?
9.07 On the money with that call totally .
What did South Hobart do wrong, it seems on the team sheet they marked X in the wrong boxes. Result their sub entered the field of play without the referee's permission. Seen this happen many times over the years, the penalty is leave the field, receive a yellow card and then come back on with a signal from the referee. However, in this case the officials failed to notice the sub was on, maybe when he scored they noticed what had happened, but at the time took no action. Maybe FFT's action is fair due to there being no rule (it seems) to cover what happened.
Anon 9.07 & 2.21 ...... keep dreaming that will be the one and only title that Olympia will never lose and it doesn’t even cost them any money to win it each year that club just does it naturally
Football in Tasmania has very specific rules that are different to the national rules and we have been playing under them for a long time. It is wrong to say that the rules have to be the same as FFA's rules. It simply isn't true...not only that it doesn't happen.
Anon at 11.47, I would love you to explain this...
I have sent letters and emails to FFT in the past and they have never shown the courtesy to even bother to reply. All FFT rules should comply with the national rules and everything should be in black and white. Break a rule and face a definite penalty. There would be no arguments then.
No...rules should be appropriate for the local conditions and should not be a mirror image of other states or FFA. Which is what happens now and should stay that way. God help us if we have to start changing rules now...to please FFA
I could not agree less. All FFT rules should not comply with FFA. Our rules should be fit for purpose and appropriate to the local game. It makes no sense that we should have identical rules to other states, that are not in our best interests. Surely, that is just common sense. Any other approach is just sheep mentality...
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